tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4001811172010286940.post5700043419892983818..comments2023-05-30T09:00:18.848-07:00Comments on Gathering Sparks: Quote of the Day: One Amazing WomanYahnatanhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02321984415847643594noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4001811172010286940.post-21708025493483613642010-10-21T18:26:57.987-07:002010-10-21T18:26:57.987-07:00Yahnatan,
Re. your "side note", above: ...Yahnatan,<br /><br />Re. your "side note", above: point taken. Yael's is not a Christian perspective. It's a perspective she dresses up in Hebrew terminology, but which, like Christianity, ultimately clashes with the Jewish tradition from Sinai. I erred in lumping together two unrelated and disagreeing non-Jewish views. I'll try to be more careful in the future.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4001811172010286940.post-30244596456354880462010-10-21T15:20:48.143-07:002010-10-21T15:20:48.143-07:00Anonymous,
You've highlighted an important ad...Anonymous,<br /><br />You've highlighted an important additional point. Genesis 16:3 calls Hagar a wife of Abraham. I didn't mention this point, but it only heightens what I've written here, so thanks for bringing it out.<br /><br />Side note: I'm not sure what makes you think that Yael's blog can give you any window into Christian culture!Yahnatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321984415847643594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4001811172010286940.post-49449263351717036522010-10-21T15:02:29.943-07:002010-10-21T15:02:29.943-07:00Jos,
You're right--the way Isaac's and Is...Jos,<br /><br />You're right--the way Isaac's and Ishmael's lives intertwine at the end is very powerful. Some friends of mine who work in Jewish-Arab reconciliation in Israel are very much aware of this story.<br /><br />Shalom,<br />YahnatanYahnatanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02321984415847643594noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4001811172010286940.post-80332475438165365462010-10-21T09:48:50.431-07:002010-10-21T09:48:50.431-07:00Yahnatan,
It's interesting that you term Abra...Yahnatan,<br /><br />It's interesting that you term Abraham's wife Hagar his "slave-woman". Yael, too, referenced her as a "slave girl". This is a rare and revealing looking look into the values of Christian culture. In Jewish society we have no analogue to considering wives the slaves of their husbands. I was wondering: do modern day Christian men also term their wives as "slave girls"? If so, that would go a long way to shedding light on some aspects of the equal rights movement that I may not have fully appreciated before.<br /><br />Or, is it the case that Christians lost track of the status of Pharaoh's daughter Hagar, who was given as a servant to Sarah (not Abraham) when Pharaoh ejected the pair from Egypt after the incident of G-d's miraculous rescue of the abducted Sarah from Pharaoh. Because you ought to know that when Sarah gave Hagar as a wife to Abraham her servitude to Sarah ended. And Jewish men do not now and have never viewed their wives as slaves; rather, Jewish men view women as being on a higher spiritual level than man, and are commanded to treat them accordingly, with proper deference and respect.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4001811172010286940.post-80342426389759114542010-10-21T07:26:54.385-07:002010-10-21T07:26:54.385-07:00I couldn't comment there, so I'll do it he...I couldn't comment there, so I'll do it here.<br /><br />Hagar is a very special women with a blessing and a promise from YHWH. Prophetically (and naturally) seen is her offspring (her seed) the entire Arabic/Moslem world. I wonder that it isn't more studied.<br /><br />I Wrote a lecture myself in Dutch on that topic. (https://docs.google.com/Doc?docid=0AXfA6uKGGWZiZGR2Y3c2M2RfMjNnc2dndmczeg&hl=en_GB) Also an article on the beautiful poet of Da Costa about Hagar. (http://theologienet.nl/documenten/dacosta-hagar.pdf) Maybe Google will translate it a bit...<br /><br />Da Costa saw a repentance of the Moslems along with the repentance of the Jews in the future.<br /><br />Rashi explains that Ishmael did repentance when he together with Isaac buried their father. At the end there will be peace between this two brothers.<br /><br />Samuel M. Zwemer (1867-1952) wrote some beautiful pieces about the topic.<br /><br />Shalom,<br />JosAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com